Butterfly Tenergy 05 Table Tennis Rubber Review by Greg Letts
There is a Butterfly Tenergy 05 Table Tennis Rubber Review by Greg Letts on About.com.
That is questionable. Of course his site is supported by and or sponsored by tons of advertising. From rubber stamps to the funniest add, that came up on the screen while I was reading was for a Butterfly Vibrator. The information for it levels the product with the following useless information: "Discreet same day shipping. Buy butterfly vibrator online today - aussiesextoys.com.au" this is one reason why this site exists. There will hopefully be no such advertising on this website. (EDIT 24/2/2010 Boz said he was trialling ads to help cover the costs of high quality hosting. Please note that logged in users don't see advertising)
Ok lets look at the speed glue theme about Butterfly Tenergy content by Greg:
This rubber is one of the first "speed glue replacement" rubbers on the market. While a good rubber in its own right, it is not the holy grail of a non-glued rubber that feels like a speed glued rubber. But it's a promising first step nonetheless.
Tenergy 05 glue
Who cares if it feels like speed glued rubber? If you are writing for beginners or intermediate players, then why bother saying it feels like speed glue since they have probably never bothered with it. This whole speed glue concept without speed glue is concept I hope will become more dated and rubber manufacturers will remove it from their vocabulary. The feeling of speed glue is merely a mind body conditioning that speed gluers learnt. If you have never used it you will never find the concept to be relevant. The most important thing is to say no other rubber can produce as much spin and speed with the right ratio between them to be usable for intermediate to advanced players.
The rubbers most connected to the speed glue feeling are those trashy 1 week rubbers like donic desto and other tensors with flimsy topsheets that allow the topsheet to feel almost non existant in shot production. They make a loud noise quickly as a result so oh they must feel like speed glue. THOSE RUBBERS PLAY NOTHING LIKE SPEED GLUED RUBBERS. The most important thing to talk about is performance not some SG notion of feeling.
Becareful when reading reviews by people who get given a free rubber even when they have barely used a product they might review it with less time to adapt to its nuances. Greg is not sponsored by anyone as I have found out recently, he obtained the sheet from Megaspin, a company I now have huge respect for.
Who is butterfly tenergy 05 made for?
Who Will Like It?
Fast attacking players who prefer an emphasis of speed over spin, and close to the table hitters.
Sorry Greg but I think that is totally wrong. This is not a review for short pips. Who in their right mind would be a hitter with this rubber? It is actually players who prefer an emphasis on spin but don't want to lose too much speed as you would from something like say pf4.
Aggressive players looking for near blinding speed and not much worried about the feel when hitting hard.
Actually I agree it takes an acitve player to get the most out of tenergy 05, but lets look at Timo Boll for example. He uses tenergy 05 and is not the most aggresive player in the world. Near blinding speed, yes it is fast but common it isn't Bryce speed or Blue whale drive material.
Tenergy 05 is a Looping Rubber
What the hell is this feeling when hittng hard? Yes it isn't a hitting rubber! It is a looping rubber.
Who Will Hate It?
Choppers, and spin loopers - it's too fast for chopping and not enough dwell time for Timo Boll wannabees.
Oh my God oh my oh my! that is sooooooooooooooo wrong!
Tenergy 05 is for Spin Loopers and Choppers
Who are the best choppers in the world? Choppers chop with it and they use it on the other side of their blade for counter looping away from the table. Joo Se Hyuk Ok he uses tenergy 64 on his forehand for mostly attacking but is the best chopper in the world and tenergy 64 is not that far off 05. He actually chops a lot with his forehand. That is only one example. Ruwn Filus is another top Ranked player using tenergy.
Tenergy 05 is Timo Boll choice of rubber because of the spin from the dwell
Not enough dwell for Timo Boll what? I suspect some sort of negative feeling toward a style of play here. Timo Boll is the pinnacle of what it means to be a controlled offensive counter looper. There is no other rubber with more dwell that tenergy 05 because of spring sponge. The dwell time is huge! Half the top loopers in the world have chosen tenergy because of its dwell and then catapult.
Anybody who values feel over power when attacking, really.
Too me feel means something very similar to dwell. The ball hangs around for you to manipulate more than any other rubber. Power is there but is no Bryce which is quicker to leave the blade. Really really really!
Tenergy 05 grip throw weight speed
Specifications The topsheet is reasonably grippy without being tacky, and the sponge is definitely on the firm side. I thought that the throw angle was probably a little higher than lower, and the weight didn't seem anything out of the ordinary. Nothing extreme apart from the speed of the rubber. Playing Impressions As the first "speed glue replacement" type rubber that I have used, I was eager to put the Tenergy 05 through the whole spectrum of shots. Here's my thoughts on how it plays. I started with some counterlooping, which is the bread and butter of most speed glued rubbers. First of all, it's pretty darn quick. I was using a 1.9mm sponge version, and it was right up there with what I would expect from a typical speed glued 1.9mm Sriver or Mark V.
Tenergy 05 review done correctly?
Come on, you are comparing a speed glued rubber which expands the sponge probably beyond 2.1 to a 1.9 unglued rubber! Even then I would say the spin is very similar. You should try unglued mark V or Sriver and compare it.
So Butterfly have done pretty well speed wise. The problem is that I wasn't getting the same feel, and I was definitely generating less spin than a speed glued rubber. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't expecting perfection, but it really wasn't comparable. My counterloops were sailing off the end of the table, without that nice dip onto the table that you usually get. And the feel just wasn't the same at all - a very hard, clunky sort of feel, instead of that lovely soft, smooth, springy feel of a well glued rubber.
there is no other rubber that comes closer yet, it dips onto the end of the table for all loops I do - no other rubber comes close to this.
Overall, in the counterlooping stakes, I found Tenergy 05 to be much less forgiving than a typical speed glued Sriver or Mark V in 1.9mm thickness.
probably because tenergy is more spinny
I'd guess that Butterfly is maybe 70% there as far as spin and feel when it comes to counterlooping. Moving on to other areas, I was pleasantly surprised by Tenergy 05's performance. Serving touch was quite good really, as was the short game in general. It's very quick of course, but it behaves quite well for such a fast rubber. So a give it a thumbs up for over the table play. Blocking is quite well controlled - it doesn't dive or jump. It still feels a bit like a rock but there aren't any nasty surprises there. When attacking off a push or slower topspin, Tenergy 05 feels much closer in spin and touch to normal speed glued rubbers. Quite good spin generation and very fast. Driving the ball works very well too. I don't know why this was different to the counterlooping feel and spin, but for me it was. Go figure. Just for fun, I tried chopping a few loops. Yuck, no surprises there! Overall In my opinion, Tenergy 05 is a pretty good rubber. Close to the table attackers should love it. The only problem is that it has been hailed as Butterfly's speed glue replacement rubber, but it just doesn't have that speed glued spin and feel when counterlooping. I'd consider it to be the first step towards a true speed glue replacement, but we aren't there yet. A good first try though. Interested in purchasing ...
Look we all are hoping that they can produce an even more spinny faster looping rubber and so far they are no.1 in that department.
There is no better rubber than tenergy 05 for looping. I have respect for Greg the guy for all his effort toward promoting table tennis and his game but this review had some major flaws on the concept of both spin and who the rubber would suit.
Note to Greg if you feel I have violated any laws in creating this review of your review please let me know.
As the writer of the review
Submitted by Anonymous on 15 December 2009 - 2:11pm.As the writer of the review in question, just a couple of quick thoughts.
(1) You are free to think my review stinks, I've got no problem with that. But what a nice way to go about disagreeing.
(2) It's my review, with my thoughts about the rubber, and my recommendations. But I could be wrong - I never claimed to be perfect.
(3) Not sure what the advertising on the site that About.com puts there has to do with the quality of the review - but whatever. Congrats to you if you can maintain a site without any advertising. The ads help pay my wage and allow me to write more bad reviews! :0
(4) I like my speed glue replacement rubbers to feel more like a speed glued rubber. Killerspin Fortissimo pretty much does - while Tenergy 05 didn't. And by feel I mean that it played and reacted with similar spin and speed to the speed glued rubbers I have used in the past. That's why I'm using Fortissimo and not Tenergy 05.
(5) When using Tenergy 05, it felt to me like it was fast but not spinny like the speed glue Sriver and Mark V I was used to. That's why I wrote I thought it would suit flatter hitters but not spinners. Timo Boll uses 05? He could probably use just about anything. How about the US 1900 player who is a spin looper - should he be using 05?
(6) When in attacking mode, I am a spin looper, not a speed looper. No bias against Timo's style here!
(7) Simply put, I'm not reviewing the rubber for professionals and elite players, but for my readership on About.com, which is a mix of beginners, intermediates, and some advanced players. Is Tenergy 05 great for the pros/elites? Yep. But that's not who I'm writing for. I would hesitate to recommend any speed glue replacement rubber for the bulk of my readers.
(8) I don't particularly like Tenergy 05. As I've said elsewhere on my site, I may go back and give it another try to see if I got it wrong the first time. But I put Tenergy 05 on and didn't like it much, and wrote the review based on what I felt. Based on what it played like for me, I wouldn't recommend it for any less than advanced looper, especially spin loopers. I put Killerspin Fortissimo on and liked it a lot - it suits my less than elite spin looping game much better, and as such I would be more likely to recommend Fortissimo over Tenergy 05 for less than elite players.
Ah, enough said. Basically, I tried Tenergy 05, I didn't like it much, and said why. I could be wrong. Plenty of players seem to disagree with me, yourself included. But it's exactly what I felt when I tried it out.
And finally, - no better rubber for looping than Tenergy 05 - oh my oh my god that is soooooooo wrong! How about considering the standard of the player trying to use the rubber? (That was my lame attempt at some humor, with hopefully a small grain of truth. I'm not really trying to offend here! ;)
sorry Greg, Just being honest
Submitted by butterfly australia on 16 December 2009 - 6:27pm.1) I have reworded that section, might have been a touch harsh to use that word, sorry.
3) Call it a personal problem I have with advertising, but that was the advertisement next to the review. Just as any actor or sportsman or any person at all that gets sponsored, you have a choice of who sponsors you. If you don't have control over what you are promoting, blame it on your company. Let's not get into that debate. I am not sposored by butterfly in anyway, yet promote the products because I believe in them.
4-6) Timo could beat most of us with his right hand using long pimples but that has got nothing to do with the rubber being the spinniest rubber available at the moment. The notion that I am a Timo Boll wannabee because I believe the rubber has great spin is closer to the point. As for American ratings? I am Australian mate. Let me ask you the question: Do you think it would suit an Australian 1700's looper?
I have tried about 50 rubbers and nothing loops as easily. It actually helps in every kind of loop. slow loop, side spin loop, graze loop, drive loop but nothing is as easier to counter loop with. At the point I stuck Tenergy 05 on my blade I flew through about 15 players in my club.
7) maybe you should mention who you are writing for in the review, I believe writing the truth for which ever level you are reviewing for.
8) I don't think any new rubber is good for beginners. I always say try first generation rubbers, even though they were made for speed glue. Tenergy requires concentration on service, they should all use long pimple I guess.
Greg it would be nice to see you sign in and post
As I said I have tons of respect for you but strongly disagreed that's all. I'll try to choose softer words next time.
Hopefully you can come to the next Brisbane tournament and we can have a fortismo club vs tenergy club fight?
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Submitted by aces clubs on 17 December 2009 - 1:02pm.surely a website can set which products are allowed to be listed with advertising. The keyword butterfly has many uses obviously.
Hey Greg,I was wondering,
Submitted by butterfly australia on 25 December 2009 - 8:06am.Hey Greg,
I was wondering, when you compare rubbers do you stick them on the same blade with the same thickness with same newness?
The other thing is to consider which blade it they are analysed on. interesting things happen for tenergy on slower bats
where in my opinion the dwell becomes too much. for spinny bats less spinny rubbers is my theory, on carbon blades or hard blades tenergy is perfect.
I know someone tried Fortismo after this review and totally disgreed about the more spin than tenergy 05 part. If you have any more new sheets feel free to send me one for a video based review which I will link to your site. that is my pledge. (I can happily post is back after)
Hi butterfly australia, When
Submitted by Greg Letts on 30 December 2009 - 10:13am.Hi butterfly australia,
When I review rubbers, I generally try to put them on the same blade, in around the same thickness of 2.0 or so (depending on the rubber). For attacking rubbers I use my Timo Boll Spirit blade, and for defensive rubbers I use my Matsushita Pro Special blade.
I reviewed the Tenergy 05 on my partners Primo Vitesse blade since I had not been sent a review sheet to try, and I wasn't particularly interested in using it myself at the time (I was still defending at the time of the review), so I wasn't going to spend that sort of money just for the privilige of reviewing Tenergy. The 1.9mm thickness happened to be the thickness she prefers, so that's what I had to use.
I get very few freebies to review (I think I've had about 3-4 free rubbers in total), so generally what I review is what I have paid for myself to try (or what my partner uses). I'm not going to spend extra money buying a thicker sponge sheet of Tenergy 05 that I'm not likely to ever use, just so I can write a review on it.
As I've mentioned before, I may give Tenergy 05 (in a thicker sponge than 1.9mm) another try sometime if the opportunity comes up. But at the moment I'm very happy with Fortissimo, so it will only be if someone I know locally has a sheet I can borrow. If I change my mind about Tenergy 05 I'll happily modify my review. But for the moment, those were my honest thoughts about Tenergy 05, wrong or not.
Greg
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