As you may know I have used a lot of different set ups quite extreme changes recently. But I have had 33% win ratio all season and this is the 6th week I think. I had 2 weeks of long pimples on my def blade and last week beat guy hadn't beaten for a very long time with a 1.5 rubber on my backhand on the def blade and tonight, just got home, midnight here, I won one match this time I had donic f3 (not big slam) on my backhand in MAX with tenergy 05 FX on FH. And I must say this feels like THE set up for me now. I am just pissed off that only 30 minutes in using the f3 in my first match I backhanded the corner and tore it!
The whole blade and rubbers feel perfectly balanced with great sound. I don't really have a winning shot with this but I can loop winners of sorts. It will take a while to mature into this feeling. I feel like I can block anything I can get the bat to. And I can loop almost everything even more because being able to recover quicker with lower weight. I just have to work the f3 much harder when the ball is lower.
I can counter loop at the right height with the f3 more balls than I can with any tenergy because this thing is not as dependent on any spin. I feel like I have gone back to the old solcion backhand days where I had to work my backhand hard. But my backhand was like it could do everything back then but I always was ready for the return.
I have just added a picture of another blade that looks identical.
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f3 05 fx continued
I am struggling on my choices here. Sometimes I want fx both sides sometimes f3. But I can't go double f3 because I feel limited by not being able to spin up. Tenergy of any side both sides on this blade will feel to head heavy and possibly to spinny or dwelly, so the f3 05 fx combo continues.
The thing I am really struggling with is backhand or forehand.
I would think it most logical to have f3 on backhand as the flatter punchier more open blade choice, with the spinnier for fh serves and stepping to use fh more often to loop and counter loop a bit back from the table. And yes this works for me. But it seems that my opponent adjusts and then if they drive hard into my backhand the sponge is too soft to block with spin so the ball goes straight into the net.
The I if I go f3 fh I really should twiddle for my serves half the time, and I can do spinny backhand loops on my backhand (which most people say is my greatest strength). When I loop with my fh with f3 though I find it very unstable as the sponge bottoms out. Although the overall weight balance and optimum angle makes 3rd ball finishing of ball slightly slightly popped up so easy to drive smash. It is like I have rediscovered an old old shot I have done for ages because I used tenergy for ages on my fh.
The problem I have always found with any tenergy is that high throw angle makes putting the ball away difficult when over the table. A low throw setup makes life so easy.
I am holding the blade much much looser and finding it especially great for that fh drive now. I do love this. It's like I almost don't have my index finger backing the blade when I do the shot and can hold the handle much lower giving me a feeling like my arm is longer for reach but also giving much more power in the wrist and length of the shot.
I would say last night 80% of my 3rd balls hit this way were perfect. I want to work on this and also see if I can improve counter looping a bit back from the table with the f3 on fh.
The main thing I am loving is the weight of my setup.
- final note I am not liking the 05 fx for backspin serves, its too bouncy.
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05 fx fh problems
My forehand has never been the best shot, but I am sure it is much more consistant and powerful and better at counter looping than tonight. I felt I only did a few all night. I think I will be getting rid of the fx again, The main thing bugging me out is that it is too soft and you can imagine that I have also given up on the f3 on fh again.
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I don't understand
"The problem I have always found with any tenergy is that high throw angle makes putting the ball away difficult when over the table. A low throw setup makes life so easy."
Having a high "throw' angle means you can get more spin on the ball. The force that the paddle imparts on the ball can be broken down into a normal force and a tangential force. The tangential force causes spin and the high 'throw' angle. If you don't brush the ball there will not be a tangential force and the "throw angle" will be less. You have control with how much you brush the ball. You can simply flat hit or whack the ball to get speed.
throw angle
i reckon the red diamond has a lower throw angle.....that was one thing i preferred the tenergy for as i like it going higher rather than int he net
have 3 different good players testing that rubber soon by the way...will be interesting to hear their thoughts..all have used tenergy recently or are still using it
keep it simple
over the table when a ball is just slightly higher than the net a low throw rubber makes it easier to hit, drive or loop the ball down.
Simple.
But these rubbers then become problematic once the ball has dropped lower than the net.
I am now back on 05 fh and 05 fx on my def blade anyway.
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I agree and disagree.
"over the table when a ball is just slightly higher than the net a low throw rubber makes it easier to hit" I disagree. A high throw rubber will not have high throw if you simply slap the ball. It is the the paddle motion the brush up behind the ball that makes the throw high. If you simply flat hit the ball there will be no high throw. "drive or loop the ball down" The Magnus effect of a spinny or high throw rubber makes it easier to have the ball drop down on the other side of the table. "But these rubbers then become problematic once the ball has dropped lower than the net." Boz is referring to low throw rubbers and I agree. I will never try Bryce. That is also why I don't like Black Power. It is fast but it doesn't have the spin or Magnus effect to match so the ball hits the other side of the table. I think a high throw or spinny paddle give you more options. You don't have to spin the ball when slamming. You can simply swat it.
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throw angle
well i reckon given the same swing with the same bat in the same conditions ( ie THE SAME), tenergy05 will throw higher than red diamond
I agree but not by much.
The problem I have with RD is that it doesn't come in black. I don't like Black Power. I am going to get some LKT XT PRO in black to see how that works but first I must try the anti. I don't have time to try all the rubbers.
red diamond
i know, i only want it in black also as that is my BH colour.....i dont want black power, it simply doesnt rate like red diamond
galaxy
I am not trying anything right now - but I think that galaxy moon looks pretty good too.
I should start to try list and keep it ordered.
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Replacements for Black Power
I am looking at LKT XT Pro as a possible replacement for the BP on my Caro Balsa X5. It is much slower and the spin to speed ratio is better. LKT XT Pro is not for playing away from the table as it is too slow. Boz, wouldn't like it but for those of us that grow roots at the end of tables and are fixed like trees the rubber should do well. LKT XT Pro is light,soft and a little tacky. Except for the tacky it seems like a description close to the Big Slam you have used. I don't know how LKT XT Pro would compare to the Big Slam you played with before. The reviews I have read said LKX XT Pit would be a good BH rubber. That would be good for me because I would want to use Red Diamond as a FH rubber on the other side of my Carbo Balso X5. Red Diamond is still fast for me. All of this will have to wait as I have LPs an Antis to test.
root
man i grow roots during a point all the time...thats why i can now loop the first and second ball but not the third..my feet just get wider and wider it appears and they only move if the ball goes up in the air
do you think i should try my rubbers on a slower blade?...would that make looping easier?
remember red diamond is the same weight as tenergy which is pretty heavy.
long pimple ! at least i havent gone over to the dark side yet..im thinking should get my dr neubemburger leopard again as that kills long pimple...well it used to when i played with it all the time anyway. got beaten by peng a LP player 3/1 the other day..dont move my feet well enough to play him with smooth rubber im afraid and i want to slit my wrists by the time i have finished
holding it loosely
i am holding it in a death grip i think which is why my BH is now crap...no wrist due to holding o hard with my fingers.
im glad in 3 days u wont be playing for a couple of months
Actually, I am pretty mobile for an old geezer
The problem is that after I win the point I will lose the next three or four unless I can take a time out or the towel break.
I need to economize on my energy expenditures.
"do you think i should try my rubbers on a slower blade?...would that make looping easier?"
I think you need to pay attention to the combination of blade and rubbers.
I have Reflectoid, that is very slow but spinny, on a 729 bomb blade, that is a fast but springy, and I loop very well with both. Boz must be thinking WTF. It is the spin to speed ratio that we both agreed that is very important that makes the 729 Bomb/Reflectoid combination work for looping.
I don't like high loops and you all now I was very reluctant to call what I do a loop unless it is a ball that is hit below the height of the net that needs spin to over come the speed and make the ball drop on the other side of the table.
In short I think a slower rubber may do the trick. I think rubber is more important than the blade but obviously the two interact.
The LP players on the OOAK forum suggested the 729 Bomb for the Pogo OX. I thought this blade was too fast so I slowed it down with Reflectoid.
BTW, it is DR Neubauer, pronounced Noy-bower, Noy like in boy.
I don't see a Leopard list of rubbers. I would wait until I do my review of the three anti rubbers that I bought. I went to the OOAK forum and studied their comments and other reviews. I think I picked the three best antis if you consider the performance to price ratio.
tenergy 05 fx defensive blade both sides
The fragility of the blade really sucks. The top veneer has started to become unstuck to the alc layer, so I must say this is a super fragile blade guys, I was so close to buying 10 of them but now might not buy another one at all and instead go back to my grubba carbon all+ which I think is the next best thing to get a similar sort of game.
But not fall apart.
I was pretty tired on Friday night when I re tried tenergy 05 fx both sides on the defensive blade.
I know I am breaking my own rules (don't use the same rubber on both sides) and yes it is easy to see why again again again again. I have done this before - on another level the player is fine with adjusting to your shots. As soon as you have two you dont do anything different but they miss you get a free point or 2 every game.
So yea, you can try and learn from mistakes and then just learn nothing.
I still like the blade and playing a slower game, I got to get up of my flat feet and just move around all the time.
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